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Will have to do a complete rewrite. Noted on Reach Mahjong NY: "Having tenpai without yaku, for purposes of end of hand tenpai payments and so forth." So, content will be based on this. [http://mahjong-ny.com/features/terminology/] [[User:KyuuAA|KyuuAA]] ([[User_talk:KyuuAA|Talk:キュウ]]) 17:57, 5 May 2019 (UTC) | Will have to do a complete rewrite. Noted on Reach Mahjong NY: "Having tenpai without yaku, for purposes of end of hand tenpai payments and so forth." So, content will be based on this. [http://mahjong-ny.com/features/terminology/] [[User:KyuuAA|KyuuAA]] ([[User_talk:KyuuAA|Talk:キュウ]]) 17:57, 5 May 2019 (UTC) | ||
== Game example == | |||
https://mahjongsoul.game.yo-star.com/?paipu=190508-4ebd32bc-71a5-4f4f-86a7-16066dfdc896_a925124703 [[User:KyuuAA|KyuuAA]] ([[User_talk:KyuuAA|Talk:キュウ]]) 08:33, 8 May 2019 (UTC) | |||
== Other examples == | |||
* {{#mjt:456m888s999p181'11z}} Waiting for: {{#mjt:1z}} | |||
== Anonymous notes == | |||
The article is confusing because it doesn't distinguish the different types of keishiki tenpai carefully enough. | |||
(i) No yaku tenpai. | |||
(ii) Tenpai with all winning tiles visible (dora indicators, discards, called tiles, closed kans by other players) and not in your hand. This isn't called keishiki tenpai, but karaten ("empty" tenpai). Whether it has a yaku or not is irrelevant, because you can't win with this anyway. | |||
(iii) Hand is one tile short of four groups and a pair, but it needs a fifth copy of a tile in your hand to be completed. This is the second type of keishiki tenpai in the Arcturus wiki, which is much rarer and yet occupies the whole second section of the article. The Japanese Wikipedia article classifies this as being under karaten rather than keishiki tenpai. | |||
Under typical rules, (iii) doesn't count as tenpai at all. Tenhou sort of does this, but it only looks at the part of your hand that isn't part of a chi/pon/kan. In other words, if you ankan a tile and end up having a kanchan/penchan wait for that tile, Tenhou will count this as tenpai; on the other hand, a shape like 2222345555999 would be no-ten, since it's waiting for 2 and 5 but all four copies of each are in your hand (and not part of a chi/pon/kan). | |||
(By anonymous) [[User:KyuuAA|KyuuAA]] ([[User_talk:KyuuAA|Talk:キュウ]]) 00:18, 10 May 2019 (UTC) | |||