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Kan on 1-pin is allowed, where the hand is interpreted with a shanpon of 3-pin and nan. This makes me wonder: what if the hand won with 3-pin without kan? This can either be viewed as a Tenhou.net house rule, flaw, or our error on this rule. [[User:KyuuAA|KyuuAA]] ([[User_talk:KyuuAA|Talk:キュウ]]) 13:47, 11 January 2016 (UTC) | Kan on 1-pin is allowed, where the hand is interpreted with a shanpon of 3-pin and nan. This makes me wonder: what if the hand won with 3-pin without kan? This can either be viewed as a Tenhou.net house rule, flaw, or our error on this rule. [[User:KyuuAA|KyuuAA]] ([[User_talk:KyuuAA|Talk:キュウ]]) 13:47, 11 January 2016 (UTC) | ||
:It's a house rule. See [[Tenhou.net rules]]. [[User:Coppro|Coppro]] ([[User talk:Coppro|talk]]) 13:58, 11 January 2016 (UTC) | :It's a house rule. See [[Tenhou.net rules]]. [[User:Coppro|Coppro]] ([[User talk:Coppro|talk]]) 13:58, 11 January 2016 (UTC) | ||
==Procedure== | |||
In my opinion, it would be less confusing to include the step where the kan dora is revealed in the procedure, using a "standard" rule. In the kan dora timing subsection, we can say that for a different rule, step 3 is moved to between step 5 and step 6 instead, for example. | |||
For the immediate reveal case, I believe the kan dora should be revealed after the chankan check. For the delayed reveal case, the reveal should happen right after the next discard or a kan call. --[[User:Benawii|Benawii]] ([[User talk:Benawii|talk]]) 01:42, 13 May 2017 (UTC) | |||
== Kan called instead of winning the hand == | |||
http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2017110808gm-0009-7447-9c8be995&tw=3&ts=7 [[User:KyuuSC|KyuuSC]] ([[User talk:KyuuSC|talk]]) 08:02, 8 November 2017 (UTC) | |||
== Kan during riichi in Tenhou == | |||
Tenhou's riichi ankan permission is a bit special since it only applies two restrictions: | |||
* An ankan cannot change the wait pattern. | |||
* An ankan cannot be claimed with all four post-riichi tiles. | |||
The second one is trivial, while the first rule broadened the possibility of available kans. | |||
This is an example of unavailable ankan in regular restriction sets: | |||
{{#mjt:12345m05567888p}}, ankan {{#mjt:5p}} after riichi [http://tenhou.net/3/?log=2011030918gm-00a9-0000-15f048df&tw=2&ts=8] | |||
So should we list them in-detail where some of the illegal-kan operation no longer holds? | |||
- [[User:Kator278|Kator278]] ([[User talk:Kator278|talk]]) 18:52, 26 July 2019 (UTC) |
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Okurikan
Just a reminder to include this here. KyuuAA (Talk:キュウ) 21:12, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
Kan during riichi: Some rethinking
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Kan on 1-pin is allowed, where the hand is interpreted with a shanpon of 3-pin and nan. This makes me wonder: what if the hand won with 3-pin without kan? This can either be viewed as a Tenhou.net house rule, flaw, or our error on this rule. KyuuAA (Talk:キュウ) 13:47, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
- It's a house rule. See Tenhou.net rules. Coppro (talk) 13:58, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
Procedure
In my opinion, it would be less confusing to include the step where the kan dora is revealed in the procedure, using a "standard" rule. In the kan dora timing subsection, we can say that for a different rule, step 3 is moved to between step 5 and step 6 instead, for example.
For the immediate reveal case, I believe the kan dora should be revealed after the chankan check. For the delayed reveal case, the reveal should happen right after the next discard or a kan call. --Benawii (talk) 01:42, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
Kan called instead of winning the hand
http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2017110808gm-0009-7447-9c8be995&tw=3&ts=7 KyuuSC (talk) 08:02, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
Kan during riichi in Tenhou
Tenhou's riichi ankan permission is a bit special since it only applies two restrictions:
- An ankan cannot change the wait pattern.
- An ankan cannot be claimed with all four post-riichi tiles.
The second one is trivial, while the first rule broadened the possibility of available kans.
This is an example of unavailable ankan in regular restriction sets:
, ankan after riichi [1]
So should we list them in-detail where some of the illegal-kan operation no longer holds?