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:: Notes: Wikipedia [[wikipedia:jp:ノート:麻雀のローカル役/出典のない役| 麻雀のローカル役/出典のない役]] (Mahjong Local Yaku/Yaku without Origins) has the same progress to determine if a local yaku should be listed on the main page. However the restriction is strict (e.g. Ishino Uenimo Sannen is used in a few games, as well as several tournaments also introduce this yaku to their audiences) so that several yaku may be controversal to leave on page or not. But overall, most of the yaku on the removal list is obviously reasonable to exclude. --[[User:Kator278|Kator278]] ([[User talk:Kator278|talk]]) 06:41, 11 February 2025 (UTC) | :: Notes: Wikipedia [[wikipedia:jp:ノート:麻雀のローカル役/出典のない役| 麻雀のローカル役/出典のない役]] (Mahjong Local Yaku/Yaku without Origins) has the same progress to determine if a local yaku should be listed on the main page. However the restriction is strict (e.g. Ishino Uenimo Sannen is used in a few games, as well as several tournaments also introduce this yaku to their audiences) so that several yaku may be controversal to leave on page or not. But overall, most of the yaku on the removal list is obviously reasonable to exclude. --[[User:Kator278|Kator278]] ([[User talk:Kator278|talk]]) 06:41, 11 February 2025 (UTC) | ||
::: I understand the idea, although I do still consider some of these yaku worthy of inclusion. I went through the Notes: Wikipedia [[wikipedia:jp:ノート:麻雀のローカル役/出典メモ| 麻雀のローカル役/出典メモ]] (Mahjong local yaku/source notes), and noticed ketsupaihou, chinchii toushii and rentsuu honitsu already have a couple of sources listed. Additionally [[Daizo Amano]] is a particularly strong source, considering how influential he and his association (likely the origin for alot of these yaku) were in early riichi mahjong. Some yaku on the main page – tsubame gaeshi, uumensai and pouhoi paarenchan – are mainly/only credited to Amano's 1971 New modern rules 「新現代ルール」, which should be comparable to the [[Tokyo rules]]. Of course, you could come to the conclusion that these yaku should also be removed. [[User:Tempara-chan|Tempara-chan]] ([[User talk:Tempara-chan|talk]]) 11:59, 11 February 2025 (UTC) | ::: I understand the idea, although I do still consider some of these yaku worthy of inclusion. I went through the Notes: Wikipedia [[wikipedia:jp:ノート:麻雀のローカル役/出典メモ| 麻雀のローカル役/出典メモ]] (Mahjong local yaku/source notes), and noticed ketsupaihou, chinchii toushii and rentsuu honitsu already have a couple of sources listed. Additionally [[Daizo Amano]] is a particularly strong source, considering how influential he and his association (likely the origin for alot of these yaku) were in early riichi mahjong. Some yaku on the main page – tsubame gaeshi, uumensai and pouhoi paarenchan – are mainly/only credited to Amano's 1971 New modern rules 「新現代ルール」, which should be comparable to the [[Tokyo rules]]. Of course, you could come to the conclusion that these yaku should also be removed. [[User:Tempara-chan|Tempara-chan]] ([[User talk:Tempara-chan|talk]]) 11:59, 11 February 2025 (UTC) | ||
::: Uumensai is not only introduced in a book. It is also used in some japanese mahjong games, as well as a yaku in other mahjong variant, so it is fine to have a place for it, since there're multiple information we can write to introduce it. Tsubame gaeshi can be found in some movies or manga. Pouhoi Paarenchan can be considered as removal, as there's the doubt of its coverage of usage. In general, what's needed is to find is about the proper usage of the yaku, so that we can get rid of relying on weak sources. The issue of ketsupaihou, chinchii toushii, retsuu honitsu and chinroutou chiitoitsu is that we're almost relying on the book introduction, while hard to find where these yaku are actually used. Despite of not listed in [[Local yaku]], it's still fine to list them in [[Tokyo rules]]. --[[User:Kator278|Kator278]] ([[User talk:Kator278|talk]]) 12:59, 11 February 2025 (UTC) | ::: Uumensai is not only introduced in a book. It is also used in some japanese mahjong games, as well as a yaku in other mahjong variant, so it is fine to have a place for it, since there're multiple information we can write to introduce it. Tsubame gaeshi can be found in some movies or manga. Pouhoi Paarenchan can be considered as removal, as there's the doubt of its coverage of usage. In general, what's needed is to find is about the proper usage of the yaku, so that we can get rid of relying on weak sources. The issue of ketsupaihou, chinchii toushii, retsuu honitsu and chinroutou chiitoitsu is that we're almost relying on the book introduction, while hard to find where these yaku are actually used. Despite of not listed in [[Local yaku]], it's still fine to list them in [[Tokyo rules]], as a part of introducing book content. --[[User:Kator278|Kator278]] ([[User talk:Kator278|talk]]) 12:59, 11 February 2025 (UTC) | ||
== Sanma? == | == Sanma? == | ||
This wiki's handling of alternate [[Sanma|sanma]] rulesets is generally quite limited, which extends to this page aswell. The problem is, while alot of rule variations apply to both yonma and sanma, there are alot of rules and yaku that are generally only used in 3-player rulesets. Additionally, some yaku like daisharin and shousharin exist in yonma, but are almost always defined differently when used in sanma. Should these be included in this page, included under their own heading or have their own page entirely? I'd be in favor of the second option. [[User:Tempara-chan|Tempara-chan]] ([[User talk:Tempara-chan|talk]]) 14:22, 10 February 2025 (UTC) | This wiki's handling of alternate [[Sanma|sanma]] rulesets is generally quite limited, which extends to this page aswell. The problem is, while alot of rule variations apply to both yonma and sanma, there are alot of rules and yaku that are generally only used in 3-player rulesets. Additionally, some yaku like daisharin and shousharin exist in yonma, but are almost always defined differently when used in sanma. Should these be included in this page, included under their own heading or have their own page entirely? I'd be in favor of the second option. [[User:Tempara-chan|Tempara-chan]] ([[User talk:Tempara-chan|talk]]) 14:22, 10 February 2025 (UTC) | ||