1,924
edits
Talk:Local yaku: Difference between revisions
→Reviews
Tempara-chan (talk | contribs) |
|||
| Line 107: | Line 107: | ||
:::: You could raise a request to recover the entry of the yaku in JP wikipedia, given that you claimed there're multiple source as well as a lot of proofs of usage. As long as you can pursuade the editors, your submitted reasons can pass the quality recheck of entry, I wouldn't think there will be any reason to reject that. At least so far, I don't see there's sufficient evidence to see whether "rewarding by waiting on last tile copy" is widely used in actual activities, despite being listed in a few books, while lacking a trackable history of how this "yaku" is originated and eventually being a thing that was accepted by multiple associations, or become regionally popular, or used widely based on popular games, etc. The only thing clear is it's reasonable only as a content belonging to [[Tokyo rules]], while hard to become an independent entry under [[Local yaku]]. It is natural to come up with a lot of doubts when trying to introduce this yaku: Why is there a lot of optional names (欠牌和/零牌和/地狱和了/etc)? How are these names actually come from, are there historical reasons to support that, instead of coming up by random brainstorm? When similar cases happened in mahjong games, people frequently uses the term "jigoku tanki/hell wait", while rarely use "欠牌和" to indicate the situation, is it a counterexample that people generally don't suggest it was used as a yaku? If readers have similar doubts, can people find an explanation good enough to know its hitory given by your providing source, or is the source just another place of giving his definition? You will eventually come up with these similar doubts when coming up with an entry of local yaku, to ensure that the quality of items. The cancellation of entry in JP wikipedia is legit, I don't see any problem about that. --[[User:Kator278|Kator278]] ([[User talk:Kator278|talk]]) 04:54, 13 February 2025 (UTC) | :::: You could raise a request to recover the entry of the yaku in JP wikipedia, given that you claimed there're multiple source as well as a lot of proofs of usage. As long as you can pursuade the editors, your submitted reasons can pass the quality recheck of entry, I wouldn't think there will be any reason to reject that. At least so far, I don't see there's sufficient evidence to see whether "rewarding by waiting on last tile copy" is widely used in actual activities, despite being listed in a few books, while lacking a trackable history of how this "yaku" is originated and eventually being a thing that was accepted by multiple associations, or become regionally popular, or used widely based on popular games, etc. The only thing clear is it's reasonable only as a content belonging to [[Tokyo rules]], while hard to become an independent entry under [[Local yaku]]. It is natural to come up with a lot of doubts when trying to introduce this yaku: Why is there a lot of optional names (欠牌和/零牌和/地狱和了/etc)? How are these names actually come from, are there historical reasons to support that, instead of coming up by random brainstorm? When similar cases happened in mahjong games, people frequently uses the term "jigoku tanki/hell wait", while rarely use "欠牌和" to indicate the situation, is it a counterexample that people generally don't suggest it was used as a yaku? If readers have similar doubts, can people find an explanation good enough to know its hitory given by your providing source, or is the source just another place of giving his definition? You will eventually come up with these similar doubts when coming up with an entry of local yaku, to ensure that the quality of items. The cancellation of entry in JP wikipedia is legit, I don't see any problem about that. --[[User:Kator278|Kator278]] ([[User talk:Kator278|talk]]) 04:54, 13 February 2025 (UTC) | ||
:::: There is nothing on [[Project:Editing guidelines]] to say added information has to also be in JP Wikipedia to be accepted. Whether or not you think it's necessary, is irrelevant, because you don't own this page. Regardless, I already pointed out why the Japanese checking/submittal process doesn't work, or atleast hasn't worked for the past 10–15 years, so why would I even try to use it. Ketsupaihou fulfills all editing guidelines, both on this wiki and Wikipedia itself, and even [[wikipedia:jp:ノート:麻雀のローカル役/出典のない役#文献の強度| the guidelines for local yaku on JP Wikipedia]] (strong sources include books, manga with pro involvement and games with pro involvement; yaku should have a strong source, preferably multiple). There is literally no reason it shouldn't be included on this page. [[User:Tempara-chan|Tempara-chan]] ([[User talk:Tempara-chan|talk]]) 21:39, 13 February 2025 (UTC) | :::: There is nothing on [[Project:Editing guidelines]] to say added information has to also be in JP Wikipedia to be accepted. Whether or not you think it's necessary, is irrelevant, because you don't own this page. Regardless, I already pointed out why the Japanese checking/submittal process doesn't work, or atleast hasn't worked for the past 10–15 years, so why would I even try to use it. Ketsupaihou fulfills all editing guidelines, both on this wiki and Wikipedia itself, and even [[wikipedia:jp:ノート:麻雀のローカル役/出典のない役#文献の強度| the guidelines for local yaku on JP Wikipedia]] (strong sources include books, manga with pro involvement and games with pro involvement; yaku should have a strong source, preferably multiple). There is literally no reason it shouldn't be included on this page. [[User:Tempara-chan|Tempara-chan]] ([[User talk:Tempara-chan|talk]]) 21:39, 13 February 2025 (UTC) | ||
:::: Given that you relied on the source from atwiki (weak source), while rejecting the removal result of JP wikipedia page (where more people can check the content). There's already two workaround way to leave your content: the four yaku can be listed in the page of book, or to try to relist it in JP wikipedia. And since you don't even wanna have a try, the topic can be generally stopped here. The quality of content still preserves in Riichi Wiki, regardless if you agree or not. The issue is already pointed out clear: it's never hard to just collect and write definitions one by one, anybody can write a lot of them in just one day, the proof is hardest thing to do and cost the most of the time. You could have rethink if you agree with the necessity of process. --[[User:Kator278|Kator278]] ([[User talk:Kator278|talk]]) 17:50, 14 February 2025 (UTC) | |||
== Sanma? == | == Sanma? == | ||
This wiki's handling of alternate [[Sanma|sanma]] rulesets is generally quite limited, which extends to this page aswell. The problem is, while alot of rule variations apply to both yonma and sanma, there are alot of rules and yaku that are generally only used in 3-player rulesets. Additionally, some yaku like daisharin and shousharin exist in yonma, but are almost always defined differently when used in sanma. Should these be included in this page, included under their own heading or have their own page entirely? I'd be in favor of the second option. [[User:Tempara-chan|Tempara-chan]] ([[User talk:Tempara-chan|talk]]) 14:22, 10 February 2025 (UTC) | This wiki's handling of alternate [[Sanma|sanma]] rulesets is generally quite limited, which extends to this page aswell. The problem is, while alot of rule variations apply to both yonma and sanma, there are alot of rules and yaku that are generally only used in 3-player rulesets. Additionally, some yaku like daisharin and shousharin exist in yonma, but are almost always defined differently when used in sanma. Should these be included in this page, included under their own heading or have their own page entirely? I'd be in favor of the second option. [[User:Tempara-chan|Tempara-chan]] ([[User talk:Tempara-chan|talk]]) 14:22, 10 February 2025 (UTC) | ||