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:: It is better to have multiple sources that independently uses these yaku. In this case, all these yaku are from one single book, so it's better to only include in where it just comes from (so introducing them on [[Tokyo rules]] would be fine), instead of leaving a place in local-yaku list. Besides, having an entry in atwiki doesn't mean that the yaku has multiple source, especially when most of atwiki page has only the yaku introducion while leaving almost blank when looking for the coverage of usage or its origin (this part is important). In fact, most of yaku have similar issue, probably even some of the yaku included in the page before. We'll also remove some of them in the future. --[[User:Kator278|Kator278]] ([[User talk:Kator278|talk]]) 06:27, 11 February 2025 (UTC) | :: It is better to have multiple sources that independently uses these yaku. In this case, all these yaku are from one single book, so it's better to only include in where it just comes from (so introducing them on [[Tokyo rules]] would be fine), instead of leaving a place in local-yaku list. Besides, having an entry in atwiki doesn't mean that the yaku has multiple source, especially when most of atwiki page has only the yaku introducion while leaving almost blank when looking for the coverage of usage or its origin (this part is important). In fact, most of yaku have similar issue, probably even some of the yaku included in the page before. We'll also remove some of them in the future. --[[User:Kator278|Kator278]] ([[User talk:Kator278|talk]]) 06:27, 11 February 2025 (UTC) | ||
:: Notes: Wikipedia [[wikipedia:jp:ノート:麻雀のローカル役/出典のない役| 麻雀のローカル役/出典のない役]] (Mahjong Local Yaku/Yaku without Origins) has the same progress to determine if a local yaku should be listed on the main page. However the restriction is strict (e.g. Ishino Uenimo Sannen is used in a few games, as well as several tournaments also introduce this yaku to their audiences) so that several yaku may be controversal to leave on page or not. But overall, most of the yaku on the removal list is obviously reasonable to exclude. --[[User:Kator278|Kator278]] ([[User talk:Kator278|talk]]) 06:41, 11 February 2025 (UTC) | :: Notes: Wikipedia [[wikipedia:jp:ノート:麻雀のローカル役/出典のない役| 麻雀のローカル役/出典のない役]] (Mahjong Local Yaku/Yaku without Origins) has the same progress to determine if a local yaku should be listed on the main page. However the restriction is strict (e.g. Ishino Uenimo Sannen is used in a few games, as well as several tournaments also introduce this yaku to their audiences) so that several yaku may be controversal to leave on page or not. But overall, most of the yaku on the removal list is obviously reasonable to exclude. --[[User:Kator278|Kator278]] ([[User talk:Kator278|talk]]) 06:41, 11 February 2025 (UTC) | ||
::: I understand the idea, although I do still consider some of these yaku worthy of inclusion. I went through the Notes: Wikipedia [[wikipedia:jp:ノート:麻雀のローカル役/出典メモ| 麻雀のローカル役/出典メモ]] (Mahjong local yaku/source notes), and noticed ketsupaihou, chinchii toushii and rentsuu honitsu already have a couple of sources listed. Additionally [[Daizo Amano]] is a particularly strong source, considering how influential he and his association (likely the origin for alot of these yaku) were in early riichi mahjong. Some yaku on the main page – tsubame gaeshi, uumensai and pouhoi paarenchan – are mainly/only credited to Amano's 1971 New modern rules 「新現代ルール」, which should be comparable to the [[Tokyo rules]]. Of course, you could come to the conclusion that these yaku should also be removed. [[User:Tempara-chan|Tempara-chan]] ([[User talk:Tempara-chan|talk]]) 11:59, 11 February 2025 (UTC) | |||
== Sanma? == | == Sanma? == | ||
This wiki's handling of alternate [[Sanma|sanma]] rulesets is generally quite limited, which extends to this page aswell. The problem is, while alot of rule variations apply to both yonma and sanma, there are alot of rules and yaku that are generally only used in 3-player rulesets. Additionally, some yaku like daisharin and shousharin exist in yonma, but are almost always defined differently when used in sanma. Should these be included in this page, included under their own heading or have their own page entirely? I'd be in favor of the second option. [[User:Tempara-chan|Tempara-chan]] ([[User talk:Tempara-chan|talk]]) 14:22, 10 February 2025 (UTC) | This wiki's handling of alternate [[Sanma|sanma]] rulesets is generally quite limited, which extends to this page aswell. The problem is, while alot of rule variations apply to both yonma and sanma, there are alot of rules and yaku that are generally only used in 3-player rulesets. Additionally, some yaku like daisharin and shousharin exist in yonma, but are almost always defined differently when used in sanma. Should these be included in this page, included under their own heading or have their own page entirely? I'd be in favor of the second option. [[User:Tempara-chan|Tempara-chan]] ([[User talk:Tempara-chan|talk]]) 14:22, 10 February 2025 (UTC) | ||