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:::: [[wikipedia:jp:Wikipedia:削除依頼/地獄和了]] --[[User:Kator278|Kator278]] ([[User talk:Kator278|talk]]) 15:05, 12 February 2025 (UTC) | :::: [[wikipedia:jp:Wikipedia:削除依頼/地獄和了]] --[[User:Kator278|Kator278]] ([[User talk:Kator278|talk]]) 15:05, 12 February 2025 (UTC) | ||
:::: That is a discussion from almost 17 years ago, before any of the sources I mentioned above were added to wikipedia. Of course, someone might still not consider it "noteworthy/worth mentioning", but that's a subjective opinion. Do you actually think what is/isn't included in the Japanese wikipedia page should dictate all of our choices regarding this page? Do you realize it has seen only one new addition in those same 17 years? Have you considered that the reason for that might be that, because the original contributors have left the page years ago, their submittal process doesn't work and they've effectively bricked the page? Actually the whole submittal process seems to violate (or at least come close to violating) Wikipedia's ownership of articles policies. Why should that be our baseline? [[User:Tempara-chan|Tempara-chan]] ([[User talk:Tempara-chan|talk]]) 23:46, 12 February 2025 (UTC) | :::: That is a discussion from almost 17 years ago, before any of the sources I mentioned above were added to wikipedia. Of course, someone might still not consider it "noteworthy/worth mentioning", but that's a subjective opinion. Do you actually think what is/isn't included in the Japanese wikipedia page should dictate all of our choices regarding this page? Do you realize it has seen only one new addition in those same 17 years? Have you considered that the reason for that might be that, because the original contributors have left the page years ago, their submittal process doesn't work and they've effectively bricked the page? Actually the whole submittal process seems to violate (or at least come close to violating) Wikipedia's ownership of articles policies. Why should that be our baseline? [[User:Tempara-chan|Tempara-chan]] ([[User talk:Tempara-chan|talk]]) 23:46, 12 February 2025 (UTC) | ||
:::: You could raise a request to recover the entry of the yaku in JP wikipedia, given that you claimed there're multiple source as well as a lot of proofs of usage. As long as you can pursuade the editors, your submitted reasons can pass the quality recheck of entry, I wouldn't think there will be any reason to reject that. At least so far, I don't see there's sufficient evidence to see whether "rewarding by waiting on last tile copy" is widely used in actual activities, despite being listed in a few books, while lacking a trackable history of how this "yaku" is originated and eventually being a thing that was accepted by multiple associations, or become regionally popular, or used widely based on popular games, etc. The only thing clear is it's reasonable only as a content belonging to [[Tokyo rules]], while hard to become an independent entry under [[Local yaku]]. It is natural to come up with a lot of doubts when trying to introduce this yaku: Why is there a lot of optional names (欠牌和/零牌和/地狱和了/etc)? How are these names actually come from, are there historical reasons to support that, instead of coming up by random brainstorm? When similar cases happened in mahjong games, people frequently uses the term "jigoku tanki/hell wait", while rarely use "欠牌和" to indicate the situation, is it a counterexample that people generally don't suggest it was used as a yaku? You will eventually come up with these similar doubts when coming up with an entry of local yaku, to ensure that the quality of items. The cancellation of entry in JP wikipedia is legit. --[[User:Kator278|Kator278]] ([[User talk:Kator278|talk]]) 04:54, 13 February 2025 (UTC) | :::: You could raise a request to recover the entry of the yaku in JP wikipedia, given that you claimed there're multiple source as well as a lot of proofs of usage. As long as you can pursuade the editors, your submitted reasons can pass the quality recheck of entry, I wouldn't think there will be any reason to reject that. At least so far, I don't see there's sufficient evidence to see whether "rewarding by waiting on last tile copy" is widely used in actual activities, despite being listed in a few books, while lacking a trackable history of how this "yaku" is originated and eventually being a thing that was accepted by multiple associations, or become regionally popular, or used widely based on popular games, etc. The only thing clear is it's reasonable only as a content belonging to [[Tokyo rules]], while hard to become an independent entry under [[Local yaku]]. It is natural to come up with a lot of doubts when trying to introduce this yaku: Why is there a lot of optional names (欠牌和/零牌和/地狱和了/etc)? How are these names actually come from, are there historical reasons to support that, instead of coming up by random brainstorm? When similar cases happened in mahjong games, people frequently uses the term "jigoku tanki/hell wait", while rarely use "欠牌和" to indicate the situation, is it a counterexample that people generally don't suggest it was used as a yaku? If readers have similar doubts, can people find an explanation good enough to know its hitory given by your providing source, or is the source just another place of giving his definition? You will eventually come up with these similar doubts when coming up with an entry of local yaku, to ensure that the quality of items. The cancellation of entry in JP wikipedia is legit, I don't see any problem about that. --[[User:Kator278|Kator278]] ([[User talk:Kator278|talk]]) 04:54, 13 February 2025 (UTC) | ||
== Sanma? == | == Sanma? == | ||
This wiki's handling of alternate [[Sanma|sanma]] rulesets is generally quite limited, which extends to this page aswell. The problem is, while alot of rule variations apply to both yonma and sanma, there are alot of rules and yaku that are generally only used in 3-player rulesets. Additionally, some yaku like daisharin and shousharin exist in yonma, but are almost always defined differently when used in sanma. Should these be included in this page, included under their own heading or have their own page entirely? I'd be in favor of the second option. [[User:Tempara-chan|Tempara-chan]] ([[User talk:Tempara-chan|talk]]) 14:22, 10 February 2025 (UTC) | This wiki's handling of alternate [[Sanma|sanma]] rulesets is generally quite limited, which extends to this page aswell. The problem is, while alot of rule variations apply to both yonma and sanma, there are alot of rules and yaku that are generally only used in 3-player rulesets. Additionally, some yaku like daisharin and shousharin exist in yonma, but are almost always defined differently when used in sanma. Should these be included in this page, included under their own heading or have their own page entirely? I'd be in favor of the second option. [[User:Tempara-chan|Tempara-chan]] ([[User talk:Tempara-chan|talk]]) 14:22, 10 February 2025 (UTC) | ||