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'''Tedashi and tsumogiri''' are terms that describe where in the hand a tile was discarded: | '''Tedashi and tsumogiri''' are terms that describe where in the hand a tile was discarded: | ||
* Tedashi means to discard a tile that was already in the hand, i.e. any tile other than the just-drawn tile. | * '''Tedashi''' means to discard a tile that was already in the hand before the draw, i.e. any tile other than the just-drawn tile. | ||
* Tsumogiri means to discard the just-drawn tile. | * '''Tsumogiri''' means to discard the just-drawn tile. | ||
Reading opponent's tedashi and tsumogiri discards can be useful, as they can indicate what shapes are likely/unlikely to be in their hand. They are typically combined with other discard reading strategies. | Reading opponent's tedashi and tsumogiri discards can be useful, as they can indicate what shapes are likely/unlikely to be in their hand. They are typically combined with other discard reading strategies. | ||
When playing with physical tiles, players will have to manually check for | When playing with physical tiles, players will have to manually check for discards. In online clients, it will vary. Notably, [[tenhou.net]] and [[Mahjong Soul]] have animations to display tedashi/tsumogiri when a tile is discarded, but do not indicate anything after the discard (forcing players to memorize the status of each desired tile). | ||
==Notes== | ==Notes== | ||
* Beginners do not need to worry about | ===Learning to discard read=== | ||
* Beginners do not need to worry about discard reading - other things like [[tile efficiency]] are far more important at this stage. | |||
** Being able to build hands efficiently is required for effective discard reading; discard reading requires knowing how players normally build their hands. | |||
** Other beginners tend to not build hands in a consistent way, lowering the effectiveness of discard reading. | |||
* It is not required to memorize every single tile (e.g., if a guest wind is discarded turn 2, it doesn't matter if it's tedashi or tsumogiri). Try to focus on important tiles, such as dora and middle tiles. | * It is not required to memorize every single tile (e.g., if a guest wind is discarded turn 2, it doesn't matter if it's tedashi or tsumogiri). Try to focus on important tiles, such as dora and middle tiles. | ||
===Discard reading=== | |||
* Late tedashi tends to indicate that an opponent has other tiles nearby, but doesn't necessarily mean they will wait near said tile. E.g., a tedashi 3m might indicate they have a 34m [[ryanmen]] wait left, or a 345m complete sequence with a completely unrelated wait. | |||
* If an opponent tedashis a safe honor relatively late in the game, and there's no threat on the board, the opponent is likely in tenpai, or at least [[iishanten]] (where the honor was kept due to [[sakigiri]]). | |||
* If an opponent tedashis a joint/pair (e.g. tedashi 3p 5p), they will likely wait on a better joint. Tedashi [[ryanmen]] usually means they have a ryanmen-or-better wait. | |||
[[Category: Terminology]] | [[Category: Terminology]] | ||
Latest revision as of 10:08, 24 October 2024
Tedashi and tsumogiri are terms that describe where in the hand a tile was discarded:
- Tedashi means to discard a tile that was already in the hand before the draw, i.e. any tile other than the just-drawn tile.
- Tsumogiri means to discard the just-drawn tile.
Reading opponent's tedashi and tsumogiri discards can be useful, as they can indicate what shapes are likely/unlikely to be in their hand. They are typically combined with other discard reading strategies.
When playing with physical tiles, players will have to manually check for discards. In online clients, it will vary. Notably, tenhou.net and Mahjong Soul have animations to display tedashi/tsumogiri when a tile is discarded, but do not indicate anything after the discard (forcing players to memorize the status of each desired tile).
Notes
Learning to discard read
- Beginners do not need to worry about discard reading - other things like tile efficiency are far more important at this stage.
- Being able to build hands efficiently is required for effective discard reading; discard reading requires knowing how players normally build their hands.
- Other beginners tend to not build hands in a consistent way, lowering the effectiveness of discard reading.
- It is not required to memorize every single tile (e.g., if a guest wind is discarded turn 2, it doesn't matter if it's tedashi or tsumogiri). Try to focus on important tiles, such as dora and middle tiles.
Discard reading
- Late tedashi tends to indicate that an opponent has other tiles nearby, but doesn't necessarily mean they will wait near said tile. E.g., a tedashi 3m might indicate they have a 34m ryanmen wait left, or a 345m complete sequence with a completely unrelated wait.
- If an opponent tedashis a safe honor relatively late in the game, and there's no threat on the board, the opponent is likely in tenpai, or at least iishanten (where the honor was kept due to sakigiri).
- If an opponent tedashis a joint/pair (e.g. tedashi 3p 5p), they will likely wait on a better joint. Tedashi ryanmen usually means they have a ryanmen-or-better wait.