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::: Uumensai is not only introduced in a book. It is also used in some japanese mahjong games, as well as a yaku in other mahjong variant, so it is fine to have a place for it, since there're multiple information we can write to introduce it. Tsubame gaeshi can be found in some movies or manga. Pouhoi Paarenchan can be considered as removal, as there's the doubt of its coverage of usage. In general, what's needed is to find is about the proper usage of the yaku, so that we can get rid of relying on weak sources. The issue of ketsupaihou, chinchii toushii, retsuu honitsu and chinroutou chiitoitsu is that we're almost relying on the book introduction, while hard to find where these yaku are actually used. Despite of not listed in [[Local yaku]], it's still fine to list them under [[Tokyo rules]], as a part of introducing book content. --[[User:Kator278|Kator278]] ([[User talk:Kator278|talk]]) 12:59, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
::: Uumensai is not only introduced in a book. It is also used in some japanese mahjong games, as well as a yaku in other mahjong variant, so it is fine to have a place for it, since there're multiple information we can write to introduce it. Tsubame gaeshi can be found in some movies or manga. Pouhoi Paarenchan can be considered as removal, as there's the doubt of its coverage of usage. In general, what's needed is to find is about the proper usage of the yaku, so that we can get rid of relying on weak sources. The issue of ketsupaihou, chinchii toushii, retsuu honitsu and chinroutou chiitoitsu is that we're almost relying on the book introduction, while hard to find where these yaku are actually used. Despite of not listed in [[Local yaku]], it's still fine to list them under [[Tokyo rules]], as a part of introducing book content. --[[User:Kator278|Kator278]] ([[User talk:Kator278|talk]]) 12:59, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
:::: Uumensai: Introduced in two books (both covering the same ruleset), used in two video games, and resembles an MCR hand (not that non-Japanese usage should matter anyhow) – allowed. Ketsupaihou (rinpaihou): Introduced in three books, used in one video game, and resembles an MCR hand – not allowed. What is the logic here? And how is a mahjong association's official ruleset not proof that those rules were actually used? Can you please give an objective/quantifiable way for anyone to be able to decide whether or not a yaku can be listed on this page? I don't want to argue, I just don't get it. [[User:Tempara-chan|Tempara-chan]] ([[User talk:Tempara-chan|talk]]) 18:16, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
:::: Uumensai: Introduced in two books (both covering the same ruleset), used in two video games, and resembles an MCR hand (not that non-Japanese usage should matter anyhow) – allowed. Ketsupaihou (rinpaihou): Introduced in three books, used in one video game, and resembles an MCR hand – not allowed. What is the logic here? And how is a mahjong association's official ruleset not proof that those rules were actually used? Can you please give an objective/quantifiable way for anyone to be able to decide whether or not a yaku can be listed on this page? I don't want to argue, I just don't get it. [[User:Tempara-chan|Tempara-chan]] ([[User talk:Tempara-chan|talk]]) 18:16, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
:::: [[wikipedia:jp:Wikipedia:削除依頼/地獄和了]] --[[User:Kator278|Kator278]] ([[User talk:Kator278|talk]]) 15:05, 12 February 2025 (UTC)


== Sanma? ==
== Sanma? ==


This wiki's handling of alternate [[Sanma|sanma]] rulesets is generally quite limited, which extends to this page aswell. The problem is, while alot of rule variations apply to both yonma and sanma, there are alot of rules and yaku that are generally only used in 3-player rulesets. Additionally, some yaku like daisharin and shousharin exist in yonma, but are almost always defined differently when used in sanma. Should these be included in this page, included under their own heading or have their own page entirely? I'd be in favor of the second option. [[User:Tempara-chan|Tempara-chan]] ([[User talk:Tempara-chan|talk]]) 14:22, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
This wiki's handling of alternate [[Sanma|sanma]] rulesets is generally quite limited, which extends to this page aswell. The problem is, while alot of rule variations apply to both yonma and sanma, there are alot of rules and yaku that are generally only used in 3-player rulesets. Additionally, some yaku like daisharin and shousharin exist in yonma, but are almost always defined differently when used in sanma. Should these be included in this page, included under their own heading or have their own page entirely? I'd be in favor of the second option. [[User:Tempara-chan|Tempara-chan]] ([[User talk:Tempara-chan|talk]]) 14:22, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

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