Talk:List of chuuren configurations
I feel like we should standardize on one suit to make this more readable. Coppro (talk) 04:43, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
- Then it would have to be manzu. It's the most "numeric" out of the three. Initially, I was looking to avoid the list from jp.wiki, but that's unavoidable. On my own, I ended up with the exact same numbering system. KyuuAA (Talk:キュウ) 07:36, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
- Oh wait, nvm, I see what you're trying to do. I don't think that's unique? 1123456678999 and 1123456789999 both have agari and jantou 1.
Duplicate configuration?
The list includes:
1-1: 1123345678999m
1-3: 1123345678999m
Unless there's something I don't understand here, these two entries look identical, where 1-1 is a copy of 1-3.
Since "Agari" is the missing tile for chuuren, and "Extra" is the tile which has an additional copy, it seems like it doesn't make sense to have a 1-1 row at all.
When you start from the Pure shape, remove a 1, and add a 3, you arrive at the 1-3 shape.
But if you start from Pure, remove a 1, and add a 1 back in, that seems like it would just return you to Pure shape again, not the 1123345678999 shape.
So if I'm not mistaken, the 1-1 row should be deleted for being incorrect/duplicate.
SomeDee (talk) 14:47, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
Missing configurations?
I believe that there are more missing configurations that are unique (not a mirror of another existing configuration) which would make the table look as follows:
| Row (Agari-Extra) |
Tenpai | Yakuman | Chiniisou |
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| Pure |          |
Any numbered 1-9 (same suit) |
None |
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| 1-6 | |
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| 1-7 | |
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| 1-8 | |
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| 1-9 | |
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| 2-1 | |
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None |
| 2-3 | |
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| 2-4 | |
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| 2-5 | |
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| 2-6 | |
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| 2-7 | |
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| 2-9 | |
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| 3-1 | |
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None |
| 3-2 | |
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| 3-4 | |
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None |
| 3-5 | |
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None |
| 3-6 | |
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| 3-7 | |
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None |
| 3-8 | |
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None |
| 3-9 | |
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| 4-1 | |
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| 4-2 | |
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None |
| 4-3 | |
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None |
| 4-5 | |
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| 5-1 | |
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Unless how you're defining mirrors is broader than just simple mirrors (swap 1&9, 2&8, 3&7, 4&6) in some way?
SomeDee (talk) 18:12, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
- The main article in JP.wikipedia has a table list of them. I suppose, that oughta be copied. KyuuAA (Talk:キュウ) 05:47, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
- Okay, here's the translated JP list, converted roughly to your table format, using two different methods of duplicate removal that I believe both still preserve all the unique configurations.
- I imagine what originally happened is, someone copied the JP table and then removed entries too aggressively; i.e., removing 2-1 as a mirror of 1-2, even though chuuren with a removed 1 and an added 2 is a fundamentally different shape vs a removed 2 and added 1.
Pruned by Yakuman/Agari first (1-9 stays, 9-1 goes) Shape Waits Extra Tenpai Yakuman Chiniisou Machi 1112345678999 123456789 9-sided 2 1122345678999 1 2 kanchan 3 1123345678999 1 3 penchan 4 1123445678999 1 47 58 4-sided 5 1123455678999 1 45 irregular 2-sided 6 1123456678999 1 36 simple 2-sided 7 1123456778999 1 78 irregular 2-sided 8 1123456788999 1 47 8 irregular 3-sided 9 1123456789999 1 369 simple 3-sided 1 1111345678999 2 1 2 3 irregular 3-sided 3 1113345678999 2 369 2 4-sided 4 1113445678999 2 4 kanchan 5 1113455678999 2 25 3 irregular 3-sided 6 1113456678999 2 69 2 irregular 3-sided 7 1113456778999 2 7 kanchan 8 1113456788999 2 258 3 4-sided 9 1113456789999 2 29 shanpon 1 1111245678999 3 14 2 irregular 3-sided 2 1112245678999 3 369 2 4-sided 4 1112445678999 3 4 kanchan 5 1112455678999 3 25 3 irregular 3-sided 6 1112456678999 3 14 69 4-sided 7 1112456778999 3 7 kanchan 8 1112456788999 3 258 3 4-sided 9 1112456789999 3 14 9 irregular 3-sided 1 1111235678999 4 369 1 4-sided 2 1112235678999 4 25 4 irregular 3-sided 3 1112335678999 4 3 kanchan 5 1112355678999 4 14 5 irregular 3-sided 6 1112356678999 4 36 ryanmen 7 1112356778999 4 78 irregular 2-sided 8 1112356788999 4 147 8 4-sided 9 1112356789999 4 369 simple 3-sided 1 1111234678999 5 15 shanpon 2 1112234678999 5 258 47 5-sided 3 1112334678999 5 3 kanchan 4 1112344678999 5 14 5 irregular 3-sided
Pruned by Extra first (9-1 stays, 1-9 goes) Shape Waits Extra Tenpai Yakuman Chiniisou Machi 1112345678999 123456789 9-sided 1 1111345678999 2 1 2 3 irregular 3-sided 1 1111245678999 3 14 2 irregular 3-sided 1 1111235678999 4 369 1 4-sided 1 1111234678999 5 15 shanpon 1 1111234578999 6 147 simple 3-sided 1 1111234568999 7 69 1 irregular 3-sided 1 1111234567999 8 18 shanpon 1 1111234567899 9 147 simple 3-sided 2 1122345678999 1 2 kanchan 2 1112245678999 3 369 2 4-sided 2 1112235678999 4 25 4 irregular 3-sided 2 1112234678999 5 258 47 5-sided 2 1112234578999 6 369 2 4-sided 2 1112234568999 7 258 7 4-sided 2 1112234567999 8 258 7 4-sided 2 1112234567899 9 36 2 irregular 3-sided 3 1123345678999 1 3 penchan 3 1113345678999 2 369 2 4-sided 3 1112335678999 4 3 kanchan 3 1112334678999 5 3 kanchan 3 1112334578999 6 23 irregular 2-sided 3 1112334568999 7 3 kanchan 3 1112334567999 8 3 kanchan 3 1112334567899 9 23 irregular 2-sided 4 1123445678999 1 47 58 4-sided 4 1113445678999 2 4 kanchan 4 1112445678999 3 4 kanchan 4 1112344678999 5 14 5 irregular 3-sided 4 1112344578999 6 47 ryanmen 4 1112344568999 7 14 69 4-sided 4 1112344567999 8 14 8 irregular 3-sided 4 1112344567899 9 47 ryanmen 5 1123455678999 1 45 irregular 2-sided 5 1113455678999 2 25 3 irregular 3-sided 5 1112455678999 3 25 3 irregular 3-sided 5 1112355678999 4 14 5 irregular 3-sided